These started life in the 90’s as a packer and l didn’t wear them a ton bc the pointy toe doesn’t fit my foot well. When the delta arch came out I decided to give it a try. I tore down the packers and sent them in. Not enough arch for me, but with the addition of a delta half insole they are perfect. I love the sand sole for walking on pavement/hard surfaces, it’s like walking on kittens.